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Martingale
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Posted: 2004-07-28 20:18

I was told by one guy that Goldman S**s has policy that they don't interview people after a certain period of time who apllied before( longer than 1.5 years), what's that crap's all about?  Sad


Nonius
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Posted: 2004-07-28 20:26

don't know martingale, but I am not sure I understand the rule you are describing.  is it that if you interviewed at GS over 1.5 years ago, then they take a golden piss on yo ass?


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Martingale
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Posted: 2004-07-28 20:32

Yes, sir nonius, they treated me very badly last time, I started meeting with them since 4pm, talked with 4 guys, it was 7 pm, then no one told me I should stay or leave, finally I took off....

 now I am trying to apply for something there, they told me by policy I cannot even interview with them


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Posted: 2004-07-28 20:32
I have never heard that if you applied, and nothing happens for 1.5 years, then you are blacklisted.  Who knows with them.  There is only so long you can get by on a name...

What do you mean by **drag** the range"? If you just mean expand the column width, that doesn't work. NUM!

Martingale
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Posted: 2004-07-28 20:37
ok, f**k with them then....

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Posted: 2004-07-28 20:43

I've had loads of interviews with them over the years (and never gained employment).  I don't think your rule is true.

 

first, I sent them a rambling letter about a thousand years ago.  then, about 500 years ago, a sleazy and swarthy well known recruiter in NY hooked me up with Armin Avenessian....went to see him and he pulled up my rambling letter from 500 years prior to that...that was funny, he was nice and pleasant, but I didn't get the job.

then, about 100 years later, I had an interview with the most uptight Dutch dude (if you can imagine a dutch dude being uptight...).  then, about 100 years after that I interviewed with Derman's group...no good.


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Martingale
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Posted: 2004-07-28 20:47
maybe this guy was one of the guy I met and hated me.... Angry

Martingale
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Posted: 2004-07-28 20:48
sir nonius, are you planning to hire me?

Nonius
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Posted: 2004-07-28 21:43

I thought you were going to hire me>

anyway, send me your cv.


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Martingale
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Posted: 2004-07-28 21:47

Ok, I don't think I have your real email, but hey I knew this, my cv is at

www.xianglong1972.com

As time goes, I might go back to china open a entertainment biz, I will invite you to be the part planner Tongue out


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Posted: 2004-07-28 22:35
damn, one missed oppportunity,

would you mind, Sir Nonius, consider my humble person for an even humbler position?

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drews


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Posted: 2004-07-29 02:10

Martingale wrote: I was told by one guy that Goldman S**s has policy that they don't interview people after a certain period of time who apllied before( longer than 1.5 years), what's that crap's all about?  

Back to the original post. If I understood it correctly they don’t want to interview you because you applied more than 1.5 ago. That’s pretty weird…


I’ve heard of banks that don’t interview you if you applied and were interviewed there within last year or two, bur I’ve never heard that they don’t want to interview if you applied “too long” ago. 

Actually I’ve heard many different things… Some people told me that certain banks didn’t want to see them again if they were interviewed there in the last year or two. Others said that they interviewed with the same group in the same bank (for different openings) for several times during the same year. Also some people say that your resume is usually thrown away if received from more than one HH (or if they received it independently from you and your HH) since it’s not clear who should be paid to in case they hire you, others say that they applied through multiple headhunters and still got interviews.

I guess there’s no universal rule and all this varies from bank to bank (as well as for different groups within a bank) and changes pretty often even for the same bank.


I tried to raise similar questions on W***t for several times but there’s nothing interesting going on in their Career Forum for quite a while


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Posted: 2004-07-29 06:30

I think that rule might apply if the application is processed through HR.  If it is a policy, then surely it is an HR policy.  I personally do not think writting letters to HR departments makes sense.  To me, that just adds a layer of middlemen/middlewomen.  Of course, you can't avoid them forever, but what I say is market yourself directly to desks, not to GS as an entity.

If you contacted a fixed income desk in NY two years ago and talked to them, I doubt if a person on a commodities desk in London would care.  If the CV looks good, then, I would think that they would talk to you.

Balt- I'll look at your cv.  I am not personally hiring, but I may know of others.  same with Martingale.


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Baltazar


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Posted: 2004-07-29 09:03
Nonius: email-me, I think we may work out something.

Is there things such as "cooptation" bonus?


In a previous job I had, if you bring the Cv of a friend to the HR and the friend got hired, you got a bonus.

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Posted: 2004-07-29 09:37
The experience with Armin that Nonius had is the clue to the rejection - they keep almost all interview feedback and correspondance on file.  If they rejected you in the dark ages but did so because you were not seen as a personality fit you are buggered in long term.  If it was just cos you were too junior you can get back in play later.  As most asset classes are centralised to some extent on the quant world you can get caught out by old info despite seemingly unrelated people being involved.  Big brother is watching you.

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drews


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Posted: 2004-07-29 15:02

Nonius wrote: I personally do not think writting letters to HR departments makes sense.  To me, that just adds a layer of middlemen/middlewomen.  Of course, you can't avoid them forever, but what I say is market yourself directly to desks, not to GS as an entity.

My reasoning was the same until some time ago somebody told me that he’s got several interviews by applying to HR (i.e. through their website). I’m still not sure whether it’s worth applying through the website since it seems to me that the harm which entering HR database causes drastically outweighs the benefit of having a small chance to get an interview, so I’ll probably won’t apply through banks websites


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Posted: 2004-07-29 15:14
drews -
One thing I'm guessing from your postings is that you're suffering from a shortage of decent leads.  As a student, I can understand.  I don't know if you're in Manhattan regularly, but the NYPL has a Bloomberg terminal.  I was always suprised how much stuff is posted on Bloomberg <JOBS> for junior people, since most people starting out just don't have access to Bloomberg at all.  Or at least they think they don't.  You should take a look and see what you can find.  Actually I think going through the standard HR process for people like yourself is pretty hopeless, too many people trying to get in the door all at once. 

my bank got pwnd

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Posted: 2004-07-29 15:48
Thanks a lot for advice, kr. You are right I suffer from the lack of the info. The good thing is that I actually work on 42nd street, so NYPL is prety close. I plan to start my job search in a month or so. I've got several HHs names people recommended and also heard of several other sites with job postings. Thanks a lot for the info once again. As to the applying through HR I'm also sure it's useless in my case so I won't apply, but as I said people did get interviews this way

drews


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Posted: 2004-07-29 15:59

Glumas wrote: If they rejected you in the dark ages but did so because you were not seen as a personality fit you are buggered in long term. 

The “personality fit” fit is a really funny phrase...


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Posted: 2004-07-29 16:14

Drews, don't take this the wrong way, but if I was your boss, and gave you a project to work on, and you came back to me and said 'look, it doesn't matter what we do,since we can't outperform the mkt', I'd be tempted to throw you out the window, never mind fire you...

Do you really think someone is going to pay you the big bucks for you to tell them its all random??

(note that I haven't addressed whether your statement is actually true or not (I believe it isn't, but thats not even relevant to the discussion)).


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drews


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Posted: 2004-07-29 16:32
That’s a useful feedback, AndyM and kind of what I expected. I’ll definitely come up with something next time I’m interviewed. But I just recalled a guy I talked not long ago. I don’t remember the whole story, but somehow he got into a group interview with recent MBA graduates (and he just graduated from one of the most reputable Master in Fin Math programs). All of them were sitting at the desks in a row and the interviewer approached each of them one after another and asked questions. One of the questions he asked was “Do you think the market will go up or down?” and this guy I talked to recalls all those MBAs presenting very sophisticated answers and justifying them, and his answer was “I don’t know”. After he said that the interviewer was so surprised that he asked for his name, wrote it down and probably he was the first to let go. So of course I’ll come up with a different answer next time and thanks for the feedback once again.

monkeyA
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Posted: 2004-07-29 16:42

Crap question.

Basically, you could answer

1. Long detailed boring answer showing how much you know
2. Don't know (correct answer, but you were asked what you 'think')
3. "Up - My entire student loan is in OTM calls"

I like #3 best.

 


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Posted: 2004-07-30 16:05

anyway, at the end of the day, my attitude is....fuck GS.  I really don't care about the brand.  I care about being able to realize ideas and having cool people to work with.  If GS is such that they have a hard on for 1000 year old interviews, then, fuck it, I don't want to work for GS.  That narrow perspective is myopic and stupid.  It is the same perspective that thinks that it is important to ask a stupid question about pricing a certain product in an interview.  Any smart person who knows the one rule law of finance (BS) can work through a problem in sufficient time that is required for most quant jobs. 

GS has been successful over the long run not because of trading.  In recent years, yes, but, in the long run it was investment banking.  So, big fuking deal.  I don't really care.


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Posted: 2004-07-30 16:14
at least you're not bitter....

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Posted: 2004-07-30 16:18

LOL!

really, I know that read like I was, but, I am not.  I just get excited sometimes while writing drivel.


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