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I recently started looking for a new job, and stupidly contacted an evil HH. This guy sounded good and I gave my resume to him without getting written promise that he will send my resume upon my approval. Couple of weeks later I got an email from JP Morgan that I need to register at their career site for quant programmer job which I less preferred than going to a hell. Couple of days later I was contacted by another HH for an interesting position at JPM, but she told that she can’t submit my resume since I already applied there before. Now I want that evil Peter stop sending my resume to anywhere. What is the best strategy for this? I would highly appreciate your advice on this.
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 YukaRedux
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first piece of advice - edit your posting & remove the personal & company names.
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 chiral3
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that is not the way that it works. that is bull. 1) what is the job you want. 2) don't worry about burning the bridge - he will be selling cars in a weekk or two - email him and tell him to stop immediately. If you really want to to could kick the shit out of him and his mother probably would understrand. |
What do you mean by **drag** the range"? If you just mean expand the column width, that doesn't work. NUM! |
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 chiral3
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| I disagree Yuka. He/She mentioned the HH. He/She is just looking out for us by sharing info. If it was a person at a bank, that would be one thing. If these servers were in the UK, that would be another..... I say it is YHs prerog (unless YH is a HH themselves, and just trying to hurt competition, then it is blender time) |
What do you mean by **drag** the range"? If you just mean expand the column width, that doesn't work. NUM! |
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Thanks for the advice Yuka and Chiral. I am one of regular member here, but being anonymous to keep a low profile with my job search. I want all job candidates stay away from this guy not to be screwed like me. So should I give up the position at JPM? |
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 chiral3
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If you're a headhunter, so help me 
What is the job????? If you want to, email me. (Read: I am trying to do you a favor, one phorum member to another <wink> <wink> |
What do you mean by **drag** the range"? If you just mean expand the column width, that doesn't work. NUM! |
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Hi Chiral, I am not a HH. I am looking to change current job and I just want to share my experience with anyone who might be looking for a job in near future... Is there a still a chance that this evil HH keeps sending my resume even after I ask to stop? What should I do then? |
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If your headhunter keeps sending it after asking him to stop, engage in litigation.
However, chances are that this headhunter has the process of CV distribution streamlined and automated. So, the damage probably has been done already.
You want to pull your mandate with this guy immediately. Under any data protection law, you should be able to request that all your records be deleted.
You might want to try one of the headhunters from the forum (such as DW or LaurenV29) who won't engage in shady practices like that. Just a thought. |
On tue un homme, on est un assassin. On en tue des millions, on est un conquérant. On les tue tous, on est Dieu. |
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> Under any data protection law, you should be able to request that all your records be deleted.
aintno such law in the USA |
flaneur/boulevardier/remittance man/energy trader |
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Yeah, well the States take a certain special status when it comes to the law though, you've got to admit. Anyway, I'm sure there is law that prevents others from representing your idendity in any way shape or form in the US. A quick google search confirms this. You may not be able to force deletion of your records, but you sure can prevent them from ever publizing anything about you again. |
On tue un homme, on est un assassin. On en tue des millions, on est un conquérant. On les tue tous, on est Dieu. |
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 Happyas
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| Only way to stop practice is to tell lots of people they are evil. And as FDAX says to threaten to litigate. Am assuming he is putting me is evil HHer mode though as didn't get a mention in his list of good guys, so ignore me!!!! |
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Happyas is definitely not evil I should have included him in the list and it dishonors me that I have not. I have lost face and now will actively seek reparation to restore the honor of my clan. If Happyas needs anything from me, he has but to ask and it will be done. |
On tue un homme, on est un assassin. On en tue des millions, on est un conquérant. On les tue tous, on est Dieu. |
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I had a cituation like this before. Here's what I did. I called the guy and gave him a good scream in the ear. I promised to tell all perspective employers that he's the worst asshole I ever met etc. A few days later his boss called me to apologize. They stopped mailing my resume and I never heard from them again.
Now, can we have the last name of that evil Peter? It's in the interest of the phamily that such names are known. |
Quote me as saying I was misquoted. |
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 DW
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Dude - When you say an Evil headhunter you really mean a f*cking to$$er. The only headhunters that are Evil in a pure sense are those endorsed by NP. Happyas, Lauren and I are all evil headhunters, this guy is a complete $hit head.
BTW - yesterday one of my good clients called me up to say they received a resume from a HH firm they choose not to use, the resume did not have the guys name on it but it did have his bank and university, they asked me if I knew who it was and naturally I did. I then called the guy as instructed by my client to inform him that they had received his resume. He went nuts as he is not actively looking at the moment and had not given his resume out in a couple of years - so basically this HH had punted his resume down anyway without even speaking to him!
There are too many scumbags in this business and the only way to change this is if both clients and candidates refuse to deal with such a$$holes.
So who is this chump and what is his firm? |
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Names! We want names! |
"No time for love, Doctor Jones!" |
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 chiral3
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"Dude - When you say an Evil headhunter you really mean a f*cking to$$er. The only headhunters that are Evil in a pure sense are those endorsed by NP. Happyas, Lauren and I are all evil headhunters, this guy is a complete $hit head."
DW has a point.... he is a tosser.
I think he said Peter something from OSI. |
What do you mean by **drag** the range"? If you just mean expand the column width, that doesn't work. NUM! |
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 drews
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I believe there're no 'good' HHs when it comes to entry level. All those I've dealt with are just CV warehouses. They play a 'number game', which a job seeker can't play with regards to them (I mean a job seeker can't contact too many HHs since if several copies of your CV appear on the same person's desk sent by different HHs all will probably go straight to the bin).
Also I don't believe there's any way to stop HHs sending your CV without asking you first (at least not in the US). So I think the safest bet for entry level is not to contact too many HHs when you start your job search (not more than 4-5). I believe it doesn't matter whom to contact though (see above). Also if you start telling HHs that you're VERY concerned about where your CV is sent and insist on him/her contacting you before sending your CV, he/she may get an impression that either you deal with too many HHs or have been interviewed in too many places before (or both!), so I don't think it's a good idea. The best way when looking for entry level is too try all possible approaches and not to rely on HHs too heavily. The only thing is DON'T APPLY on big banks' websites (at least with your real name ) |
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| drews: I disagree. The majority of HH's I dealt with were decent. Some of them didn't quite know what they were doing but that's another matter. With the exception of the phucker whom I mentioned before, nobody ever sent my CV without asking my permission. For most of them it's a default. I'd always be explicit about the permission clause. And if it gets them concerned then ... well, this is a big town. |
Quote me as saying I was misquoted. |
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 drews
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Energetic, you probably referred to looking for NOT entry level jobs. If not you just were lucky. Anyway, either my experience was significantly different from others' or that's how it looks now on the 'bottom of a food chain'  |
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Goldman seems to be the only one to pay attention to online applications on its web site. |
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I actually was referring to my entry level search. Perhaps I was lucky indeed.
Now that you got me thinking I remember another problem that I encountered at that time. I screwed up a number of interviews, of course. Having received negative feedback, some of the HH's seemed to completely hang up on me (perhaps they didn't have another appropriate opening - I don't know for sure). I wonder if this is a common mode of operation. |
Quote me as saying I was misquoted. |
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| I think it's pretty common. I've never got a 3rd interview from a HH even if I did OK on the first 2, but didn't get an offer. |
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 Happyas
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Best time to get juniors if you can;t get them first, exclusive and train them up is when they have ballsed up with another HH - battle scarred guys are ten times more likely to get roles than greenhorns. interviewing is a skill, and a skill hard to learn theoretically.
I'd always recommend interviewing first for a job you'd consider turning down if you got it - and if you do it on someone elses time thats fine with me...
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I happened to have mentioned this guy to YH, sorry dude(although I've warned about him, not cautious enough). I was totally pissed by his company also. Well.... Just call him and tell him not to send your resume before ask you or just cut him off totally...
Some similar situation with two HHs happened at another company also, I actually ended up interviewing there(on site) for both positions, they find out I did not tell them(which I was not trying to hide, but just screwed up by HHs), but the position there was that great either... so lessons learned, just use good guys and stick with them.... |
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 YH
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| The company name is osi and this guy posts a lot at Numa. Not only this guy sent my resume without my approval but also forced me to have onsite interview which was a total garbage job, which happened after I told him ten times what kind of job I was looking for. I agree with Energetic. Other HHs I am working with usually ask my approval before presenting my resume to a place. The main purpose of this posting is this: When I do online shopping, going to a restaurant, finding an apartment, or even going to ski resorts, I search web to read consumer’s review. We should do same with HHs. By sharing our experience bad HHs will be kicked out of the market or try to improve their business at least. I wish there is a dedicated site on HH reviews like cnet for electronics or citysearch for restaurants etc |
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