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nickk


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Posted: 2006-03-20 15:09
HI,I have an interview coming up for an algorithmic trading group at a big investment bank in NYC. I wanted to know of any specific skills (besides C++) that i should brush up to be well prepared for the interview.

thanks,
Nick

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Posted: 2006-03-21 01:54
Nick, is it by any chance with Goldman or Bear?

I know both shops are doing a lot of hiring in Algo trading right now. As you can probably see, I am a headhunter and regularly help to fill these types of positions.

You are more than welcome to send me an email. pbnavistaffcom

nickk


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Posted: 2006-03-21 15:57
no its with another big company.

Kurt Skewmeyer


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Posted: 2006-03-21 16:27
It's interesting.  Every firm on the Street is gearing up hard in Algo Trading.  From the technologically elite Inv Banks to the turtle crawling NYSE Specialist firms (hybrid markets).  It's been my experience that when the marginal players (such as specialist firms) start gettin involved in an already crowded arena, the profit expectations start to look diminishing.  I guess I'm just reiterating the old saying, the higher the sharpe ratio, the lower the future expected returns on a strategy.  I mean how many different ways can these shops use the same math and expect to generate returns?Confused

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IAmEric
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Posted: 2006-03-21 16:32
KS,

If that is true, then Phorgy's law of "conservation of opportunity" implies that opportunties are opening up elsewhere. Where would those places be?

Eric

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Posted: 2006-03-21 16:50

If that is true, then Phorgy's law of "conservation of opportunity" implies that opportunties are opening up elsewhere. Where would those places be?

in picking off the algorithmic traders?


in timmy we trust

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Posted: 2006-03-21 18:15
For those interested in Algo Trading, and those interested in working for the number 1 player out there....please have a look at the job spec below. Their NYC office is currently looking to fill a number of roles. If anyone is interested in learning more, please send me a note. I'd be happy to show you the resumes of the last two people I've placed there. pbnavistaffcom.


This firm ranks #1 or #2 in all equity businesses globally. Volume has been growing 2-6 fold year-over-year. As this momentum continues to build, the resiliancy of this technology must follow suit. This group is looking to take equity trading from a high-touch business to one without intermediaries. Therefore, they are changing the paradigm of equity trading technology and making technology the centre of the business. This position offers the opportunity to learn one of the hottest businesses on Wall Street - Algorithmic Trading.

New hires will beresponsible for developing a core trading engine and a set of equity trading strategies (algorithms) that interface with all the major stock exchanges. The algorithms are based on quantitative trading strategies and use proprietary financial models, which the team develop in close association with the Algorithmic Trading desk. The desk and the client demand drives the continuous refinement of these algorithms, to improve both the trading performance and the computation efficiency and scalabilities. This makes the technology team a dynamic environment to work in. We leverage the latest trends in technology to deliver this high-availability, high-performance automated trading system. As part of the team, the person in this role will primarily focus on the following tasks:
Algorithm development & support
Algorithm Trading Engine development & support
Algorithm supporting tools (GUI, reporting) development & support.

Successful candidates should:
Experience in either Java or C++ in a professional environment. Exceptions can be made for strong candidate
Have in-depth understanding of object-oriented principles and design concepts as well as the ability to apply them in solving real problems
Understand multi-threading concepts and practice and comfortable with working on a multi-threaded system
Understand and be prepared to deal with the challenges of working on a mission critical trading system
Comfortable working in the Unix environment
Career minded and willing to adapt to be successful
Solid communication and interpersonal skill
No prior financial industry experience required

DW


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Posted: 2006-03-21 19:11

Sounds like they are looking for an extra pair of hands in an already well established business (if they are a #1 or 2 player that is)? If that's the case you'll struggle to attract anyone mildly senior who is half decent unless there is an outlandish pay cheque on offer (which I doubt as after all the role sits in I.T and does not report direct to the business?) - Are you just looking for a junior guy (which I suspect you are from the "no financial experience necessary" comment), in which case it would be a good role.

Here though is where the cynical bit kicks in - if it is a junior role it's unlikely to be as described "DEVELOPING a CORE TRADING ENGINE and set of EQUITY TRADING STRATEGIES that interface...." My experience is that junior guys are lucky if they get to do this, especially if they are coming in with "no prior financial industry experience" (as per spec permits) - they more likely end up doing some of the $hitty work around the key people who are doing what you have described and take on more of the main responsibilities as their experience levels grow and they show understanding, competency and originality.

I know this market very well in Europe and could help you significantly in terms of experienced level candidates if that is where you are looking. In terms of US, I only know the business sponsors and heads of sales for execution services, may be able to get you some referrals from these people however they would not have any contact with the juniors.

The other thing that is not completely clear from your advert, which is a common confusion in the area of "Algorithmic Trading" so this is not a criticism but something you might wish to clarify is whether you're talking about developing a trading engine for "pure alpha" in a proprietary sense (eg Prop Stat Arb Trading) or extracting alpha from client flow (Program/Block trading for client portfolio's) or gaining additional alpha from increased efficiency of electronic execution and are thus talking about implementing execution algorithms ("real" algorithmic trading). Given that there is the mention of the phrase "client demand" - i'm guessing it's one of the latter and from the first sentance in the second paragraph i'm assuming you're talking really about execution algorithms only?


Scotty


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Posted: 2006-03-22 01:44

IAE

Why do you think there is a law of conservation of opportunity?  I could sort of imagine that the level of collective "focus" by finance profiessionals is constrained (at least in the short run) and so if it looks at one area, it must have moved some of its "focus" from another area.


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Posted: 2006-03-22 02:00
Hi Scotty,

Dunno if that is a serious question or not. If it is, then thanks. I'm flattered someone is interested in something I have to say Smiley

I introduced Phorgy's Law of Conservation of Opportunity in this thread.

Cheers Beer
Eric

freddyG


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Posted: 2006-03-22 23:44

Nick,

If you are looking for a job with an algorithmic execution team as a junior it might be helpful to know common simple execution models such as VWAP, TWAP, Inline, Pairs Tading and Basket Trading.   Good things to know would also be how to find liquidity such as ECNs and using internal crossing.

Something else could be volume/volatility distributions for your market and how they vary throughout the day.  There are many papers on this if you look in Google.  Also maybe reading up on market microstructure might help.

Hope this helps...


nickk


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Posted: 2006-03-24 01:07
Thank you freddy, can you or someone else recommend any good books that talk about these subjects? I am good with C++ so coding is not a problem.

freddyG


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Posted: 2006-03-26 21:54

One book which is quite a good introduction to a lot of the concepts and terminology is Optimal Trading Strategies :

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0814407242/qid=1143402660/sr=8-8/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i8_xgl/203-4164571-0455920

 

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