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So after two phone interviews, one on finance and the other on C++, I've been invited for a half-day interview. I've searched some other posts here and I'm feeling that I'm close to an offer. My gut tells me I should still expect some 'interview' type questions, however. Am I out of the woods yet, or do I still have to 'pony up' and be prepared for grueling questions? What kind of questions are they likely to ask at this stage?
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| Be prepared for the most grueling day of your life. If it turns out to be a breeze, no harm done preparing. The biggest mistake would be to let your guard down now. Stay focused grasshopper. |
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Yes. I'd guess you're on a short list of up to half a dozen candidates. Whether or not that's the case, it's unlikely that anyone gets "close to an offer" before interviewing in person.
On the programming side, be prepared to write code on the whiteboard and to answer Kernighan/Pike type questions. As for interview questions on the finance side, I'm sure you got plenty of information from other threads here. And if you're unlucky, you'll also get thrown some ridiculous brainteasers (which rarely shed much light on a candidate's worth, but are strangely popular nonetheless). |
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As always, thanks for the advice. I really feel the comraderie here at NP. This weekend, I'm arming myself with Kernighan/Pike, the classic 'Effective C++' by Meyers, STL by Josuttis, for the programming, then I'll do some yield curve review, as well as OAS, duration, Ito's formula, and other finance basics. I'll top that of with some review of ODE's, PDE's, SDE's, probability and statistics. As for the brainteasers - screw them. If I get them, I'll just have to do my best. There's no sure way to really prepare for those in my experience. Does this sound like the path to offerdom (i.e., the path to get an offer)?
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Good luck!
If you're unprepared, and blow it, you should kick yourself. (I've done that more than once - long ago.) But if you go in well prepared, give it your best shot, and still don't get the job, you shouldn't feel bad about that; it means the job itself was a poor fit and you wouldn't have been happy there. |
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| I think it would be unwise to not prepare for the brainteasers. You may be surprised at how many you get and practice can help. Heard on the street is quite helpful (I think SIBL has a copy for library use only), the Vault one is decent, but has lots of errors, and the one that must not be named has a good collection too. Good luck! |
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Thanks for your opinion. I suppose it would be a good idea to look at some brainteasers. I do, in fact, have a copy of 'Heard on the Street', so if I have time I'll look at a few problems.
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Good luck!
I've both had and done a bunch of interviews (mostly for software developers), it seems like a lot of interviewers use the interview as a chance to feel smart. This isn't an indictment of your interviewers or their company, it's just human nature, half of a good interview is catching the interviewer on a good day. To some degree, you can try to steer the interview.
I was interviewing in Pasadena a few years ago, and the guy was asking me all kinds of questions about STL, like which header files contain which values, etc. The technologies listed for the position didn't include STL, not even C++ actually, but by happy coincidence for me I had recently done some STL stuff, otherwise I would have been absolutely clueless, I tend to relearn things many times, my memory is just not that good. I was getting worried that he would keep getting more esoteric until he 'nailed me'. I interrupted him and said "if you don't mind, may I ask you a question?". He agreed, and I asked: "Can you describe what you do? And in a typical day, how might we work together?" He talked for 25 minutes about his projects. I directed the questions from then on, I inserted comments and questions to myself into his conversation as asides, like: "oh, I can see how you might need someone to do X, just to reassure you, I can do X, I typically use <tool>, I prefer <style>, and <further evidence that I have a clue>. Anyway, please go on?".
I don't know if I was a smooth as I told myself, but I got the job. It could easily backfire, and you could come across as a prick, but you should make at least SOME effort to steer the interview away from 'question drill' and toward 'human interaction'.
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Thanks for bringing this up. Your anecdote is well appreciated. It underlines just how complex or simple the interview process can be. I like that you underscore the importance of human-interaction. I feel I already have a good repoire with the head of the group I am trying to get into, and I have done this not only with my skills, but just by being 'sociable' and charming. I was afraid that I might come across as too sociable, but your post reminds me that most of us like to be treated with civility and are by nature social. I will keep this in mind next week, but I will watch out for the programmers who do not like to be social -- I know a few of these guys here at the bank. They are real automatons. |
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Regarding brainteasers...
Don't make the same mistake I did at an interview once. The manager started asking me a brainteaser I had heard before, so I stopped him and told him to ask me another  |
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...I stopped him and told him to ask me another...
That's awesome.
You could do that in such a way that it would be to your benefit: "I really shouldn't tell you this, but I've heard that one before". I would think that you would score on: honesty, confidence, 'likes games'...But that could only work for an analyst, nobody would hire a trader who would give up such advantage.
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Yup. It can be very hard since they have a lot of good candidates. Do look up brainteasers. Here is a link where I found useful for books to read.
I do not dismiss the value of brainteasers. They help judge how broad and deep the person can think, how good are they at picking up hints, and so on. I think the approach you use to answer the question and the adaptability in response to a dead end is as important as getting the right answer. |
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- As far as preparing for the inteview break things down to really make sure you prepared.
- From the perspective of what questions you'll get asked:
- Quant/Business Questions: be prepared, know what you know, and don't be afraid to know what you don't know (it's better than trying to make it up)
- Tech: same as above
- If it is on your resume be able to explain it forwards and backwards
- Culture/Motivation: this gets trickier because how you do is very subjective
- what are you looking for? what's your greatest ackomplishment? what would you say was your greatest failure - what did you do about it? etc...
- If you know who you'll meet in advance read something they authored or wear involved in, it will impress people that you did your homework.
- Usually in most interviews and some point the person conducting the interview will ask you if you have questions. Asking the right questions is as important as getting the right answers.
- What is your role here?
- How long have you worked here?
- What were you doing before you came here?
- What do you like about working here? What don't you like about working here?
- What is your perspective on the role I'm interviewing for (ask 5-6 people this question and you'll get some great data and how synched up people are on the intitiative)
- ALWAYS ask open ended questions (not yes/no). Get people to talk, then you may see questions pop up that you would have other wised missed.
- It's ok to let silence fill the room, it shows you're centerred.
- Pack a bag: don't laugh
- Pack water, power bars, gum/mints, etc....
- you don't want to be dehydated or let your blood suger drop when your 6-8 hours into a critical interview
- you don't want to "need" to ask people to help you on this - you're prepared!
- bring something to read (WSJ, FT, Economist, or other relavent literature)
- it will keep your mind fresh if you have down town so you don't over analyze another interview and makes for good points of reference in the conversation.
- bring extra copies of your resume - someone may need one and you don't want to lose half the interview time because they needed to go get one
- bring a pad and a pen - outline your questions before the meeting so you make sure you covered the points you wanted to.
You can email me if you want me to elaborate - the harder you work the luckier you'll get - brains don't hurt either
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So, I had my face-to-face today. Not sure how it went, however. I met with the senior member of the group, as well as his superior and a colleague of his, and then some tech guys tried to drill me. I handled them fairly well. My recruiter contacted me. He told me that the head of the group contacted him, responding that he was very impressed with me and that he was glad to meet me, and that he will get back to my recruiter next week. Does this bode well for me, or will I get the gentle 'not interested'?
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I'd say 'face value'? Congratulations!
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Depending on how much actually got passed on to your recruiter - I would say more in your favor than against. The group probably has a couple more candidates and some group think they have to mull over. If you were out, I think you would have got the bad news right up front, not that he was glad to meet you - But here is the question, when they drilled you did they ask any brainteasers? Especially ones that you already knew.
May seem silly but think about sending a thank you note, including how glad you were to meet them. |
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I think thank you notes or whatever you call follow up correspondence after interviews are something perceived different by different people.
I personally just smell neediness and trying to hard. I've never had a good candidate do that sort of thing, they're confident it went well and they'll be called back/given offer/whatever. It's usually the guys and girls what you wanted to hang up on/kick out of the room after 3min that comes back with the notes about how nice it was to chat.. |
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Just got a nice offer from that place I interviewed at. I am very pleased. Thanks to all my fellow NPers for your help. Now I'll have to figure out how to leave my current employment gracefully, which is a whole 'nother issue. Stay tuned for another post.
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Congrats! 
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Congratulations.
idrank: Now I'll have to figure out how to leave my current employment gracefully
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| or perhaps under a hail of gun fire. |
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